George Boeree | Re: [LFN] Nos no debe usa “-r” en formas jeneral de verbos

• Autor: George Boeree (“cgboeree”)
• Tema: Re: [LFN] Nos no debe usa “-r” en formas jeneral de verbos
• Data: 2005-03-21 23:00
• Mesaje: 941 (a supra, presedente, seguente)

Please excuse the English:  In English "I have to go" is actually
idiomatic.  In LFN, it would be "me debe va" or "me debe var," either
one.  Even in English, we would say "I must go" as equal to "I have to
go."

Again, I must tell you:  I do not want to retire the -r at all!  It
will remain as a way of clearly stating that we are looking at a
verb-as-noun (gerund) with universal significance, and as an optional
ending after auxiliary verbs such as debe.

Also, please note that creoles rarely use the infinitive.  Even some
romance languages do not (Rumantsch and Occitan) do not use -r for the
infinitive.

The -r should be a suffix one can add to the root form of the verb,
rather than the present tense involving removing the -r.  I even recall
someone saying that it was silly for us to have three conjugations
(-ar, -er, -ir) until we pointed out that there is only one in -r!

On the other hand, I really like the idea of redoing the dictionaries
(for all the work it involves -- I would volunteer to do the LFN-Eng
dictionary, so that I can make a few refinements at the same time).

All that said, I think that you, Antonio, and others should have the
option of using the -r forms.  Flexibility is good, and we can always
let future speakers and writers make final decisions, if indeed we need
to make the decision at all!

Best wishes,

George

On Mar 21, 2005, at 5:29 PM, Antonio Fonseca wrote:

> At 20/03/2005, you wrote:
>
>  Alo Leon,
>
>  Me opina e ce se no usa la "r" en la infinitivo, esa modo si, pote
> aver
>  confusa.
>  En engles e deutx, ave casos en ce la uso es obligos, como "I have to
> go" e
>  otros.
>  No ave sensa se parlar "I have go".
>  En Deutx "Ich habe zu machen", la "zu" es obligos.
>
>  Me pensa ce es un era retirar la "r" de la infinitivo e de la
> disionario.
>
>  Salute,
>  Antonio

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