fasilinguo | Re: [europidgin] Tenses and plurals (was: general comments)
- Autor: fasilinguo
- Tema: Re: [europidgin] Tenses and plurals (was: general comments)
- Data: 2002-09-24 01:43
- Mesaje: 206 (a supra, presedente, seguente)
Hi George.
In principle, I think as you. But, if you really hate the sectarianism,
the vedettism, the freakism and so on in international auxiliary languages,
you should admise that the union between Esperanto, Ido, Occidental, Eurix,
Tino, Acadon, Latino sine Flexione, Europidgin, Fasile, Eurocreole,
Europanto, Mondopanto, Royese, Romanova, Novial and so on (the full list is
very long, of course) is a compulsory step. Nearly all real auxiliary
languages have the same basic grammar, the same alphabet, a close
pronunciation and almost the same basic vocabulary. Only auxlangs as
Javierese Futurese, Usik, Ro, Volap¿k and a few more aren't semblable to the
mainstream, but these ones don't arise a sustained interest as auxlangs
(usually people talk about them instead speaking them).
The solution is to agree a few common points, enough to understand each
other and to avoid the biggest problems (as the special signs in Esperanto
or the irregular verbs in Interlingua), then using the language for
practical purposes, and always changing it as needed.
We do need to recruit, even to conscript, at least ten millions of
"volonteers". Very clearly, to surpass just one million in the best stages
of Esperanto (indeed, gone stages), we do need to recognize that the world
don't speak and never will spoke English, and that an auxiliary language
must be owned by users, never by academies or grammarians.
Just an example: I've read here a message in Spanish from Antonio Acebo.
I know that he doesn't speak English at all, although he wants a common
auxlang. Theoretically, Europidgin is for him, for people who badly learn a
foreign language, but nearly you all are unable to discuss Europidgin with
him, as you only speak English and he won't understand you. Without praising
Zamenhof (I don't praise him), it's true that he never forced practically
his disciples to speak Russian, English, French or Polish to discuss
Esperanto; from the beginning the discussion was in Esperanto.
By Alexandre Xavier Casanova Domingo.
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Boeree" <cgboeree@...>
To: <europidgin@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [europidgin] Tenses and plurals (was: general comments)
A more "personal" note (if there is such a thing on the internet):
I am chagrined by James (and perhaps others as well). It seems that
many people interested in IALs are not really intereted in seeing the
reality of an international language at all. They are interested in
arguing about IALs, or in promoting their own project without any room
for change, or in tying their personal identity to a particular language
(esperanto is rife with these people!).
James' fascination with pidgins and creoles is understandable -- I have
been fascinated with them myself. In fact, LFN was inspired by them
(especially, obviously, Lngua Franca, but also Haitian Creole and
Papiamento, and languages with similar structures such as
Malay/Indonesian. ) Some of the criticisms of LFN seem more a matter of
wanting perfect logic -- something that just doesn't exist. The goal is
ease of use, and usefulness -- not logic or perfection!
I am, of course, attached to LFN. I am sure you understand. But
Europidgin is Bjorn's baby, and now belongs to the group as a whole, and
I am really interested in seeing what comes out of it. But if we spend
the next few years filling mailboxes with our personal preferences and
arguments, Bjorn's goal will never be reached!
So let's decide, fairly quickly, on these issues, and start thinking
about how we can use the language and promote it. Otherwise it will be
nothing more than one more dead IAL!
Best to all,
George
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