George Boeree | Re: [LFN] The future
- Autor: George Boeree (“cgboeree”)
- Tema: Re: [LFN] The future
- Data: 2010-10-31 12:56
- Mesaje: 3207 (a supra, presedente, seguente)
I don't agree. LFN would be a "school language", learned anew in each generation. Of course, change will happen, but it will be much slower than in natural languages. People will still use their first languages for most of their day-to-day purposes. What would be very interesting is to watch the small number of people who adopt it as their first language, like what happened with the original creoles! Jorj On Oct 31, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Lokai Ikaeza wrote: > That would not work. Language is always in a constant state of > changing, > even english itself. Languages change because of the people that > use them. > This is how we get contractions, and words that are used everyday > which are > wrong like Learnt, and ain't. > > Think of it like this, there is a highway to a city that everyone > takes, > that highway eventually because packed, and traffic jams occur on a > regular > basis. However one person gets fed up and finds a shortcut. he > walks across > some fields to get to the other city. Eventually others begin to > follow > after him, and find the track which the first person had made. As > more and > more people travel across the track, more vegetation is trodden > trampled, so > that eventually the track turn into a nice and clear footpath. > > The point is no one in particular created this footpath, and no one > had > intended to do so. It just naturally occurred, the same way how > English has > evolved in the last 1000 years where I (x-sampa:/aI/) has changed > from being > I (x-sampa:/eI/) to Ic (x-sampa/i:/) to Ic (x-sampa:/itS/) > > The point is even if you built a bigger LFN base, and the language > became a > lingua franca, it would evolve and change... > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:26 AM, ravendon <ravendon@...> wrote: > >> >> >> I agree that English won't be supplanted. Probably ever, unless >> the US, >> Britain and all other English speaking countries fall severely >> down the >> ladder of international relevance. >> >> The only way for any auxlang to succeed is for some international >> organization of sufficient weight and respect adopts it. Then other >> organizations may follow, which will lead to a cascade of acceptance. >> >> In what areas has English gained a foothold and eventual dominance? >> Business. Religion. Science. Medical. Sports. >> >> What would happen if we could get the Vatican to adopt an auxlang >> other >> than Latin or alongside Latin? Perhaps, complete a bible in LFN >> like they >> are doing with Interlingua and Esperanto? Religion can be a way to >> get a >> foothold. >> >> Or if the Olympics adopted LFN as the official aux lang of the games? >> >> Or maybe the Red Cross and the Red Crescent could use it, which is >> a long >> shot since English and Arabic are so dominant. >> >> I know the United Nations have been toying with the idea of an >> auxlang for >> a while now. >> >> If the UN adopted LFN as the official aux lang than that would be >> a HUGE >> step. >> >> Even if we could get LFN adopted as a language on manuals alongside >> Spanish, English, French, Italian, Portuguese, Japanese, Chinese, >> it would >> be very good. People would see it and perhaps be curious about it >> and seek >> out more info. >> >> Does LFN have any official PR dept. working on stuff such as this? >> It would >> be nice if a business or political organization could request more >> info and >> get sent material or maybe get things translated for them. >> >> Do we have an irc channel where people can come and chat or maybe >> a java >> client on the LFN website that people can use to enter a chat room >> and learn >> in real time? >> >> Or maybe an official LFN twitter? I've been twittering more info >> about LFN >> and using the #LFN #LinguaFrancaNova hash tags, more and more. >> >> And we could also learn and adopt other tactics from different >> auxlangs >> such as Esperanto and Interlingua. LFN Radio? LFN irc channel? LFN >> newsletter? LFN twitter? LFN YouTube? >> >> Man, it would be great if we could get LFN moving until it >> eventually takes >> over the world. >> >> >> --- In LinguaFrancaNova@yahoogroups.com<LinguaFrancaNova% >> 40yahoogroups.com>, >> Paul Bartlett <bartlett@...> wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Steven wrote: >>> >>>> Having investigated a number of different conlangs in the past few >>>> weeks, I can honestly say that, despite its apparent lack of >>>> popularity, LFN is by far the easiest to speak, and I think that is >>>> absolutely vital in instigating the development of an international >>>> auxiliary language. I'm not expert, but LFN is certainly the one I >>>> choose to learn because of its ease of use, and I will continue to >>>> learn it, despite its apparent unpopularity. >>> >>> I have just addressed in anther response just a few minutes ago. If >>> you want Lingua Franca Nova to succeed (and I encourage you if >>> you have >>> interest), it will take serious effort to push against the >>> momentum of >>> English -- the most successful international auxiliary language in >>> history!! (just not a constructed one) -- and Esperanto, which >>> probably >>> has more active users that all other conIALs put together. >>> >>> -- >>> Paul Bartlett >>> >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > LFN Wikia - http://lfn.wikia.com/wiki/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > No trees were harmed in the creation of this post. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced.  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]