Roy McCoy | Re: goals
George scribin:
> I was away this weekend, and found myself barraged by 50 emails --
> half of them from this group!
Ne forgesu, ce se vi scriban al <europidgin-digest@yahoogroups.com>,
vi risevon la mesajos ne aparte sed en colectos.
Don't forget that if you write to <europidgin-digest@yahoogroups.com>,
you'll receive the messages not separately but in "Daily Digests".
> On the other hand, we are seeing a variety of emails with agendas
> different from what we started out with: some want something more like
> lojban, some want another version of esperanto,
Laborinte tiasele yam de yaros, e publice, mi apene povun nei ce mi havan
tia desiro. Sed tio ne implisan ce mi volan nova Esperanto *hiebe*. Ciande
mi alisin al europidgin, mi estin tute preta legi e scribi en LFN o nova
varianto de lo, e tio ce mi ne faran tio suldisan sufise evidente ne nur
al esperantista obstino je mi, sed ance al tio ce - almene generale, e
facte pli-nolpli senesepte - nenia estan usanta la priparolata lengo.
Tion dirinte, mi povan agnosci la eblo ce *se* oni estun active usanta
tia lengo, mi eble tamen preferun reformita Esperanto. Sed til mi vere
havon io al cio compari mia propra sistemo, mi ne povan diri ju estan
tiele o ne.
Having worked toward that end for years, and in public, I could hardly
deny having that desire. But that doesn't imply that I want a new Esperanto
*here*. When I joined europidgin, I was totally prepared to read and write
in LFN or a new variant of it, and the fact that I am not so doing rather
evidently owes not only to an Esperantic obstinacy on my part, but also
to the fact that - at least generally, and in fact more or less without
exception - nobody here is using the language being talked about. Having
said that, I can acknowledge the possibility that *if* one were actively
using the language, I might nonetheless prefer reformed Esperanto. But
until I truly have something to which to compare my own system, I can't
say whether this is so or not.
> This is getting frustrating to me. I am very confused as to why someone
> who really prefers esperanto or nuova lingua franca would join this group
> and try to convert others to their way of thinking! Isn't easier and more
> enjoyable to speak with people who already share your goals? And how can
> anyone belong to more than one of these groups? Wouldn't you be spending
> your whole day reading email?
Jes, e tiale mi ne reabonin al la plimulto el mias listos pos mia lastatempe
reveno al Europe el Usono, ciebe mi somere feriin. Mi ya reabonin al mia propra
listo esp-novo, pri Esperanto-reformo, sed tia listo estan nun practice morta,
parte jar (cia estan la LFN-vorto por Esperanta "char"? mi volonte uson lo!)
semble mancan intereso pri Esperanto-reformo entute, sed ance jar ias el nos
cias ya havan intereso pri la temo e estan discutitas pri lo dum la pasintas
yaros (mi aludan spesife al Ray Bergmann, cia ance estan en europidgin nun)
venin al esensa interconsento pri spesifas reformos, tiele ce ne restan tiome
multe pri cio discuti. Ance, oni ne concludu de tio ce mi scriban en reformita
Esperanto, ce mi estan provanta persvadi alias al mia vidpuncto. Mia atendo,
denove, estan ce mi scribon en LFN o varianto, e mi ade atendan tio.
Yes, and that's why I haven't resubscribed to the majority of my lists
following my recent return to Europe from the U.S., where I was on summer
vacation. I did resubscribe to my own list esp-novo, which concerns Esperanto
reform, but that list is now practically dead, partly because (what's the LFN
word for "char" [Esperanto for "because"]? I'll be happy to use it!) apparently
there's a lack of interest in Esperanto reform generally, but also because some
of us who are interested in the subject and have been discussing it during the
past years (I refer specifically to Ray Bergmann, who is also in europidgin
now) have arrived at an essential agreement concerning specific reforms, so
that there isn't that much left about which to discuss. Also, one shouldn't
conclude from the fact that I'm writing in reformed Esperanto that I'm trying
to persuade others to my viewpoint. My expectation, again, is that I'll be
writing in LFN or a variant thereof, and this hasn't changed.
> So may I suggest ai for the past, and va for the future?
Compreneble. Nur ne miru se ia demandon ciele tio superan al -is/-os o -in/-on.
Of course, Just don't be surprised if someone asks how this is superior to
-is/-os or -in/-on [the past and future endings of Esperanto and Adjuvilo,
respectively].
> PS. Incidently, I was sending my emails in html before, which apparently
> some of your email programs can't use, so I will send my emails in both html
> and plaintext from now on. I hope that helps.
Dancos! Semble ya helpan - mi almene povan legi hia mesajo via.
Thanks! It indeed appears to help - at least I can read this message of yours
[whereas I couldn't read others before].
Roy